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thegriffgeeks · Jun 04, 2005, 09:47 AM // 09:47

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Originally Posted by Stev0

Again this is what I say. I think in reality the person who can't accept the truth of this Electronic Darwinian-like Theory, perhaps it is they who dropped their game and then posted all this. Everyone else here seems smart enough not to use alt-F4. However they just want to take their frustration out on someone else instead.

Just because you think it is true and right and okay to do doesn't mean that it is.

Just because people disagree with you don't make them wrong and you right.

Oh BTW Darwin was and is wrong in many of his theories. Not to mention a distrurbed person. "Darwin's "contribution" to science was the theory that one species changes into another. Yet there was no scientific justification for that idea, since it was never verified by the evidence. " A little research on the web will help you there.

And think about this for awhile StevO:

"The great masses of men are in the lower lands, trusting in the words of others to guide and instruct them. They believe what they believe because of what they have been told." The author goes on to say not because they examine the data and gain more knowledge to find out the truth.

Dreamsmith · Jun 04, 2005, 11:56 AM // 11:56

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Originally Posted by thegriffgeeks

Oh BTW Darwin was and is wrong in many of his theories. Not to mention a distrurbed person. "Darwin's "contribution" to science was the theory that one species changes into another. Yet there was no scientific justification for that idea, since it was never verified by the evidence. " A little research on the web will help you there.

I wouldn't call finding a web page written by someone who quite obviously knows almost nothing about evolution and quoting it "research". (Why is it obvious this person knows almost nothing about evolution? Let's start with this statement: "Darwin's 'contribution' to science was the theory that one species changes into another." That theory is older than Darwin -- how could his 'contribution' be a theory that was around before he was born? No, Darwin's contribution to the already existing theory of evolution was his theory for a mechanism behind it, natural selection, and his careful research and cataloging of the varieties, similarities and differences in the flora and fauna in the world. The theory of evolution already existed, Darwin's contribution was to provide a mechanism and justification for it.)

People can say whatever they want on a webpage. It's not exactly a peer-reviewed scientific journal. "A little research on the web" is generally not helpful to anyone who doesn't already have a good background in the subject at hand, as they can't distinguish the good info from the bad.

It also starts out with an ad homimen attack. The author is counting on the reader being prone to logical fallacies from the get-go.

Corack · Jun 04, 2005, 11:57 AM // 11:57

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Originally Posted by thegriffgeeks

Just because you think it is true and right and okay to do doesn't mean that it is.

Just because people disagree with you don't make them wrong and you right.

This can also be said about your side of the argument. Just because you say its wrong not nice or unfair does not mean it is. It really is irrelavant ot even discuss due to the fact that no matter what view is said they only relavant to the person saying it. Other can agree or dissagree but at the base of it it all it comes down to ethics. ALL ethics are relavant thus you will have your view others will have their neither side will convince the other that their side is right. Its all a wast of "breath" best to just accept that it happens and go on laugh if you want to call the person saying it names nomatter what in the end it will not make a diffrence.

Morat · Jun 04, 2005, 12:19 PM // 12:19

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Originally Posted by Eclair

Seriously, if they didn't know what alt-f4 did, then they deserved it.

This is typical of the ass-backwards petty logic that infests the online gaming community. "If I can get away with it then its right" is just plain wrong - and in RL it will get you into serious trouble.

Kiru Malkav · Jun 04, 2005, 01:51 PM // 13:51

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Originally Posted by thegriffgeeks

Oh BTW Darwin was and is wrong in many of his theories. Not to mention a distrurbed person. "Darwin's "contribution" to science was the theory that one species changes into another. Yet there was no scientific justification for that idea, since it was never verified by the evidence. " A little research on the web will help you there.

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Some people in this crazy world make me laugh. When I say alt-f4 is a harmless prank, it's because alot of people I know that have had it work on them have laughed about it afterwards. And don't get me started on Darwin. What thegriffgeeks wrote above is just stupid. If only stupidity was as fatal as it used to be maybe society would be a better place, lol.

thurinn · Jun 04, 2005, 03:14 PM // 15:14

I will quit on teams if someone on my team starts up idiotic nonsense, one of them being the Alt-F4 crap. Then there's other things like racist taunts, your mama jokes, insults about someone's sexuality etc. Reward good behaviour with praise and help and discourage bad behaviour by shunning those who engage in it. Basic social principles at work. Online gaming seriously needs it.

The Red Knight · Jun 04, 2005, 03:18 PM // 15:18

This thread makes my head hurt =[. This is the same logic as you being a christian family and you watch family guy find it offensive then petition to get it removed off the air because it is offensive to your children. rather then being a good parent and making sure that your kids never watch it.

Bleh

thegriffgeeks · Jun 04, 2005, 03:31 PM // 15:31

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Originally Posted by Dreamsmith

That theory is older than Darwin -- how could his 'contribution' be a theory that was around before he was born? No, Darwin's contribution to the already existing theory of evolution

The thought of evolution existed before Darwin NOT THE THEORY. Darwin is credited with formalizing the theory of evolution. http://www.ucmp.berkeley.edu/history/evotheory.html

The list of those who contributed to Evolutionary Thought http://www.ucmp.berkeley.edu/history/evothought.html

There is a difference.

But then again this thread is not about the Theory of Evolution. And the Theory of Evolution is not about exploiting knowledge to gain your own advantage either.

With ALT-F4 either you are the bully who uses it or you're the people who stand around and watch the bully pick on someone and laugh saying it's okay just harmless fun. Reinforcing to the bully that is okay.

The problem is what goes around comes around. And when the bully picks on you, who's going to stand up for you and say it's not right and it's not funny.

There are people out there who need such things to make themselves look bigger and better in their own eyes. Then make themselves feel better about abusing someone by saying it's part of their "tactics" or it was harmless fun.

"The moral thing to do is not always the popular thing to do."

Peace out people. And hopefully Anet will trap the ALT-F4 so that people know it will quit the program (a kindler gentler way to educate people on what ALT-F4 does.)

thurinn · Jun 04, 2005, 03:42 PM // 15:42

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Originally Posted by The Red Knight

This thread makes my head hurt =[. This is the same logic as you being a christian family and you watch family guy find it offensive then petition to get it removed off the air because it is offensive to your children. rather then being a good parent and making sure that your kids never watch it.

Bleh

Rather bad analogy you have there. You may want to check up on your own logic.

Drakron · Jun 04, 2005, 03:45 PM // 15:45

Oh god, not inteligent design and creationism "theory" (since we cannot call it that) again ...

How many times have the crackpots that want to put the bible creation myth as "scientific facts" have to be shoot down again and again before people wise up to the fact that is the christians fanatics agenda to put bible study in public schools again.

Mordread · Jun 04, 2005, 06:55 PM // 18:55

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Lighten up, its a game. I've seen people try this in online games for years, hell I might have fallen for it at some point. Everyone needs to learn there way around Windows at some point, lol.

Stev0 · Jun 04, 2005, 10:01 PM // 22:01

...you gotta go out and get laid or up your medication dosage.

...or stop hitting keys with the advice of others. lol

It's people like you who waste the time of others to push for legislation so that labels on Hairdryers are mandatory because some dumass tried use his blowdryer in his shower. Bothering game developers over the fact that some people are blind to general computer use is without a doubt the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard.

So many people in this thread do NOT think there should be a stop gap measure in a game against this stupidness. What next? Removing the [X] at the top right and the logout button to stop people from accidently selecting THAT?

Christ.

thegriffgeeks · Jun 04, 2005, 10:18 PM // 22:18

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Originally Posted by Stev0

Griffgeeks... you gotta go out and get laid or up your medication dosage.

...or stop hitting keys with the advice of others. lol

"It is best to be thought a fool then to open your mouth and remove all doubt."

Also, what a fine example of a bully in action. You can't come back with something intelligent because you have no intelligent response therefore you resort to throwing insults.

Dude you are clueless and apparently humanless too. Not to mention you don't even know me. You assume too much and not enough (at the same time), and you know what they say when you assume.

JoDiamonds · Jun 04, 2005, 10:28 PM // 22:28

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Originally Posted by Stev0

Seriously. How stupid are people to fall for this.

I don't want people on my team who think ALT-F4 is a GW command ... or that the ALT-tab is a fight combo or something else non OS related.

ALT-F4 and like commands are in Windows are there for a reason. For calling up and dropping apps.

People who fall for it do deserve it they should smarten up and learn how to use their computer.

No. That's elitist and frankly stupid.

The learning curve should be as low as possible. Computers are already too hard to use. This is poor design on the part of windows and on the part of Guild Wars.

Many programs ask you to confirm quitting, even when you use Alt-F4. Guild Wars should ABSOLUTELY pop up a dialog box asking to confirm, such as, "Quit Guild Wars?" with "Yes, Quit", and "No, Keep Playing" buttons that are clear and obvious.

Software is still pretty badly designed from a usability perspective, and this is just one more issue. Saying that people should have to learn through mistakes is stupid. Anything that CAN be designed to minimize mistakes should be. As it stands, it's one more bit of shoddy craftmanship in an otherwise excellent game.

There shouldn't need to be a question of people being jerks or not; it should be impossible for people to be jerks when software can prevent it. Inexperienced computer users shouldn't be punished for it.

Yes, I realize this isn't a cure-all for every issue. But where software can work better, it should, and as consumers we should be demanding usable software.

Stev0 · Jun 04, 2005, 10:30 PM // 22:30

It's not my fault you are retarded enough to hit ALT-F4.

thegriffgeeks · Jun 04, 2005, 10:44 PM // 22:44

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Originally Posted by Stev0

It's not my fault you are retarded enough to hit ALT-F4.

It is apparent you didn't read this.
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...&postcount=113

And judging from a quick scan of your other posts you are what they call a troll.

Definition provided for your education:

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An "Internet troll" or "Forum Troll" is a person who posts outrageous message to bait people to answer. Forum Troll delights in sowing discord on the forums. A troll is someone who inspires flaming rhetoric, someone who is purposely provoking and pulling people into flaming discussion. Flaming discussions usually end with name calling and a flame war. A classic CureZone troll is trying to make us believe that he is a skeptic. He is divisive and argumentative with need-to-be-right attitude, "searching for the truth", flaming discussion, and sometimes insulting people or provoking people to insult him. Troll is usually an expert in reusing the same words of its opponents and in turning it against them.

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Trolls crave attention, and they care not whether it is positive or negative. They see the Internet as a mirror into which they can gaze in narcissistic rapture.

http://members.aol.com/intwg/trolls.htm

It is amazing how the definition of a troll fits you to a T. You jump on people, call them names, and throw insults. These all point to a person with a miserable existence. I feel for you. It would be good to take your own advice of getting a life and/or seek some professional help.

DarrenJasper · Jun 04, 2005, 11:17 PM // 23:17

Oh, give it a rest griffgeeks. You have become so defensive by this point that I'd be surprised if anyone was still supporting you. Instead of trying to rebut people, you just call them trolls, bullies, or fools, throw around some of the most overused quotes of all time, and (after deriding them for assuming things about you) make the grand assumption that they're unhappy and proceed to ladel on the pity.

You've made your position on this issue very clear, and I hope you're not idealistic enough to think you're going to change anyone's mind here. If you want to make a big fat sticky thread in the knowledge forum saying "DON'T PRESS ALT+F4!!!", knock yourself out. But continuously proclaiming your distaste for a tactic you don't approve of is getting you nowhere.

Personally, I can't help but be reminded of those old "Spy vs. Spy" cartoons. Anyone remember those? When one spy would hand the other the button that detonates all the TNT he's standing on? "Oh gee, my arch-nemesis has given me a button. Guess I'll give it a press!" The comedy was always in how surprised he look when he got blown to bits. This is pretty much the same situation.

thegriffgeeks · Jun 05, 2005, 12:06 AM // 00:06

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